Will Everything at Liverpool go Klippity Klopp Now ?

Capricorns are well known for being slow starters. Even so, in these days of wall to wall coverage, it seems incredible that Capricorn Research was 10 years old before he saw his first live televised football match.

Once they get involved however, these mountain goats quickly become unmovable. For me, it was perfect timing as a few weeks later the 1966 World Cup meant there was never any chance of turning back.

Within a year my family had moved from a remote part of North Wales to Watford and having witnessed my first actual game ( a 0-0 draw against Colchester, since you ask ) a lifelong obsession with the Hornets began.

However, that first televised experience meant I have always had some second team nagging away at me and nearly 50 years later the events of the last week have brought it back into focus.

The match in question was the European Cup Winners Cup Final which Liverpool lost in extra time, 2-1 to Borussia Dortmund.

At the time I was convinced that the game was lost due to some cheating Germans and revenge was properly extracted later that summer at Wembley. But the idea that Liverpool would respond to such a defeat by sacking their manager and poaching that of their opponents would have been absurd.

After all we are talking about the legendary Bill Shankly and the not quite so well known Willi Multhaup.

In those days it was a well known fact that any half decent football manager had to be born within a few miles of Glasgow. Germany might have a supremely efficient national team but charismatic managers ?

Most English football fans would be hard pushed to name 10 German managers throughout history and if it comes to having a larger than life personality maybe Franz Beckenbauer and Jurgen Klinsmann.

But now straight from Dortmund, admittedly after a few months on holiday we have Jurgen Klopp.

Klopp doesn’t do quiet German efficiency. ‘I always want it loud!’ he says, ‘I want to have this ‘booooom!’ I like fighting football, not serenity football. What we call in German ‘English’. Rainy day, heavy pitch, everybody dirty in the face and goes home and can’t play football for the next four weeks.’

Everyone knows that the Bundesliga is a one horse race, its nothing like the Premier League, where champions Chelsea can be beaten by just about anyone. In Germany its not about whether Bayern Munich will win their game, its whether both Lewandowski and Muller will get hattricks.

But Jurgen Klopp’s Dortmund, backed by their famous Yellow Wall – the largest free-standing grandstand in Europe, with a capacity of 25,000, took two consecutive Bundesliga titles and reached the final of the Champions League.

So everyone naturally assumes that he’d be similarly inspired by the Kop to repeat this achievement at Liverpool.

Where does Klopp’s reputation for being such a large hearted inspiring manager come from and will it work at Anfield ?

The answer to the first part is simple, second part not so.

Jurgen Klopp

A Jupiter / Venus conjunction rising in Leo seems to pretty much cover it.

Jurgen Klopp’s remarkably open, friendly and extrovert demeanour is enhanced by his Sun in Gemini with Moon in Libra.

It might be thought that the Moon in Libra would be too soft and not have enough steel to be a top manager but this is not the case. A couple of years ago Capricorn Research looked at the charts of 80 of the top managers of all time in the search for the Perfect Manager.

The top scoring Moon sign by some distance was Libra with 12, including both of Liverpool’s greatest Shankly and Bob Paisley.

One potential problem is the Mars / Saturn opposition particularly as Saturn is conjunct the Midheaven. This aspect does have the look of promising great things only to be frustrated. And Brendan Rodgers has it as well.

Mind you Liverpool fans should not be put off by this as Jose Mourinho has it too. Bob Paisley won 3 European Cups and 6 League Championships with an extremely close Mars / Saturn opposition and Shankly had the conjunction.

It obviously endows a tremendous work ethic and a steely resolve to succeed.

Klopp’s Mars / Saturn opposition creates a T Square with his Mercury in Cancer which enhances his communication skills but also suggests that he is naturally able to create a family type feel around his club. That was certainly the case at Dortmund.

Klopp’s managerial breakthrough was when he took lowly Mainz to 11th in the Bundesliga and into the early rounds of the Europa League qualifying through the Fair Play League in 2005 as Pluto was opposite his Sun.

From Mainz he went on to Dortmund and won his 1st Bundesliga with Pluto square his Moon in 2011 and the 2nd one with Uranus opposite it, the following year.

Pluto was square his Saturn / MC from 2013 for the whole period from his peak where Arjen Robben’s late goal stopped Dortmund winning the Champions League to the dismal start to the 2014-15 season when they were in the relegation zone.

Uranus was opposite Klopp’s Mars when he announced his resignation from Dortmund and his intention to take a sabbatical. Interestingly Uranus has returned to the same point as he takes the Liverpool job.

So is Klopp astrologically a good fit at Anfield ? Capricorn Research has  3 possible charts for Liverpool, 2 of them from claimed founding dates of March 15th and June 3rd 1892 and the 3rd from their first match on September 3rd of the same year.

Interestingly Klopp’s Sun is square the Sun in the 1st chart and square the Moon of the 2nd. And he was appointed while Jupiter was conjunct the Sun of the 3rd one.

So it does look as if he is the man to take the club forward.

Will his time as manager be successful ?

To a large degree it depends which chart actually works for Liverpool. If we take the September one, Neptune will be opposite the Sun for the next two years with Saturn square it for the 1st half of 2016. From this we would have to deduce that the confusion of the last year of Brendan Rodgers reign would certainly get worse.

If we take the June chart, Saturn has much the same effect and Neptune’s square to the Sun would just be put back a year.

However, if we take the March chart, Neptune’s conjunction to the Sun does not occur until 2022 and although we don’t have a time, it seems likely that Pluto will be square the Moon fairly soon.

Klopp’s own transits are very powerful for 2017 with Pluto square his Mars and opposite his Mercury as well as Jupiter being conjunct his Mars.

So will Jurgen revive the Spirit of Shankly and take Liverpool back to being the force of Capricorn Research’s youth ? Well they both have Mars / Saturn aspects and the German has his Sun conjunct the great Scot’s Mars and their Moons are conjunct each other.

So will the Dortmund man take Liverpool back to a European final, 50 years after their first one ?

Who knows, but given the Pluto / Mars transit on the way, things may well go Klippity Klopp and one thing’s for sure the manager’s press conferences will be more interesting.


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7 thoughts on “Will Everything at Liverpool go Klippity Klopp Now ?

  1. Hi Cappy,
    The opposition of Saturn and Mars in Kloppies chart is interesting? You have Saturn in Aries in its fall at the top of the chart and Mars in Libra in its determent at the bottom of the chart. So you have a nice mutual reception. Mars loves Aries (Saturn). Aries the natural ruler of Mars and Saturn loves Libra (Mars) in its exaltation sign of Libra. What powerful planets for a football manager Saturn for discipline and Mars for energy??

    God Bless Steve

    • Thanks Steve, there are a number of good managers with this opposition including Mourinho and Menotti, but the strange thing is that so many Liverpool managers have it. Bob Paisley, Kenny Dalglish, Brendan Rodgers and Klopp. Interesting eh ?

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